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March 29, 2003

Time Traveler Busted for Insider Trading

by Joe Katzman at March 29, 2003 7:03 PM

This has got to be a put on, but there it is in Yahoo! News. I say we go ahead ask him where Osama and company are hiding out. And whether the Cubs have won the World Series yet.

UPDATE: Admiral Quixote did some research, and has more information to share.


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#1 from Larry Anderson at 7:16 pm on Mar 28, 2003

I was going to express shock that Yahoo would consider the Weekly World News as a credible source, but then they also post articles from Reuters..

#2 from Joe Katzman at 7:53 pm on Mar 28, 2003

It was too entertaining not to post this one.

#3 from MommaBear at 8:59 pm on Mar 28, 2003

Hopefully someone is going to put this critter on some kind of tracking system in case there is more news!

#4 from Skid at 9:54 pm on Mar 28, 2003

I'm more than a little concerned that a private citizen can be arrested and detained for making money on the stock market. In their zeal to report the "time traveler" angle, I wonder what Yahoo News left out of the story - surely one has to do something explicitely illegal to get arrested in this country? Or am I being hopelessly naive?

;-)
Skid

#5 from David Mercer at 1:12 am on Mar 29, 2003

It IS from their Weekly World News feed, which is listed in Yahoo Entertainment :-)

But I do wonder if he was actually arrested, and actually is sticking by that story, or if it's just tabloid silliness.

#6 from Sandy p. at 2:52 am on Mar 29, 2003

Well, look at the bright side, the world is still here and money is important.

#7 from Alan Daniels at 3:41 am on Mar 29, 2003

It reminds me of that line from "So I married an axe murderer" where Mike Meyers chastises his Mom for referring to the Weekly World News as "the paper". :-) Very entertaining story, none the less. I'm now going to go out in search of a customized Delorean with the keys left in the ignition. Wish me luck.

#8 from Ray at 6:30 am on Mar 29, 2003

LOL. Thanks, Joe. That was wonderful.

#9 from voice_of_reason at 9:04 am on Mar 29, 2003

Weekly World News Headline from 1986:
"TOWEL-HEAD TERRORISTS SHOULD BE NUKED!"
Making the Supermarket Tabloid stories "true" was one of the funniest gags in Men In Black.

#10 from Michael Savoy at 1:09 pm on Mar 29, 2003

If he's really a time-traveller why didn't he know he'd be arrested?

#11 from alphasheep at 9:24 pm on Mar 29, 2003

"If he's really a time-traveller why didn't he know he'd be arrested?"

Same question popped in my mind.
The problem may lie in the assumption that if he travelled back in time, the arrest must have happened in the past. It seems to be a logical conclusion and so one my speculate the guy did not do his homework.

But what if the theoretical physicist, postulating that there is infinite number of parallel universes with all possible outcomes, are right?

Then one does not really travel to the past, but to a different subset where the outcome has been already "built-in". A shift in the reality plane of sorts.

Some even suggest that the reality is only a consentual arrangement based on perception and all possibiliies that live side by side, only some get specifically picked up by the awareness of the protagonists in the big game of consciousness (ok, it's a little bit complicated than that, but one can "reduce" it to this concept without being lost in depths of utter strangeness).

If the guy never lost in his stock schemes, then the possibility of insider trading can be discarded, because even with the best connections, you wouldn't be able to anticipate outcomes 100%. It is statistically improbable. There must be something else at play, but not necessarily time-travel (or what we conceptualize as time travel), it may be actually something different, a manipulation of perception or reality itself, as it were.

If one gets into multi-dimensional geometry, one thing is apparent. Time as a physical dimension changes, or rather "acquires" different properties. Even assuming a 5th dimension (that is 3 spatial dimensions and time as 4th -- a bit incorrect because time vector is a property of three dimensiona time-space), then mathematically time properties would change -- you would not be simply able to distinguish between past, present and future. For all practical purposes, there would be only one time -- now. If someone were able to "tap" into this pool of waveforms, sort of a holographic components that form the basis of the "apparent" reality, then anything is possible.

The term "time-traveller" then would be an expression to explain something that in our conceptual framework we have no means to understand, in the frame of reference that is encompassing our perceptional concept what is "reality".

#12 from Admiral Quixote at 11:57 pm on Mar 29, 2003

Nice link, but obviously a put on. You intrigued me enough to do a little research and I found out the truth.

The results are at Solport

#13 from Wind Rider at 11:19 pm on Mar 30, 2003

He knew he'd be arrested, but he's not worried, because he knows when they'll let him go....

Since it was WWN, surprised they didn't have him sharing an apartment with the 'bat boy'.

#14 from Chad at 6:23 pm on Mar 31, 2003

Sounds a lot like an April Fools Joke a few days early.

#15 from m at 8:28 pm on Mar 31, 2003

If you're a time traveler you are creating a new
history as you go along. So how would the time traveler know he was going to get arrested?
When and if he got back then he could read about himself getting arrested.
Hmmmmmm ;-}

#16 from Julio Barone Neto at 10:50 pm on Mar 31, 2003

How could he gather so many (126!) informations to employ them in so little time (two weeks!)? I think that remote vision and psychological disturbance may appear together.

#17 from Mark at 3:43 am on Apr 01, 2003

In response to the arguments that a time traveller should be aware of whether they would be arrested:

I think the answer to this point is fairly simple: it all depends on how much research the time traveller did before he made his journey.

Let's put ourselves in his shoes: It's the year 22xx, and we're doing some research on historical stock market movements. Researching the beginning of the 21st century, we discover that some of the most volatile - and potentially profitable - moves occurred during this time period. Given time travelling machinery has been invented, we decide to take a chance and go back to make some money, and then return to our own time.

Once we make the decision to travel, our brains step into a very focused planning process: What information do I need to take with me to profit? Well, I need to research very specific information about actual days that markets went up or down and the precise time the market movements occured. What else do I need? Perhaps a period map of the location at the time; information on clothing and customs at that time.

The point I am trying to make is that in the enthusiasm for the project and the forthcoming trip, it would be very easy to overlook researching whether you were ever caught or arrested while on your journey.

The human psyche is such that when it is excited and in planning mode for an exciting adventure, we can overlook planning for the downside, for risk management.

Proceeding on the assumption that this guy's story is true (!!!!!!!!!!), I think it is very realistic that he may have overlooked to research newspapers to see if there was any coverage of his activities at the time he planned to visit.

Mark
(from another Great Nation, Australia)

#18 from time traveler at 6:40 am on Apr 01, 2003

ok, to answer the why didnt i... err ... he know he was going to get arrested thing. Obviously when you travel back in time you are going to make changes. Like a ripple in a pond the world changes with each action you take. Some changes are more subtle than others. So because the trading had not yet happened, no arrest was made. It was not until the action was taken that the reaction occured. thus only now in the future would it be possible to learn of the arrest... time is so cruel

#19 from Sudipto at 6:10 am on Apr 02, 2003

I have got the machine which was kept hidden by this man. And now I have just came back from 4000 AD. If you wish to know what I saw contact me. Its very interesting. And I have got a thing with me from that era for a proof. sudipto74@yahoo.com

#20 from Inge at 9:35 am on Apr 02, 2003

He couldn't possible know (otherwise he was very stupid) he would be caught (?) If he found that out he wouldnt go right? and then the information would be wrong = the history is wrong, which is impossible. U c? :D

Well i might be very wrong lol

#21 from CB at 10:55 am on Apr 02, 2003

The guys at the SEC says "We don't believe this guy's story -- he's either a lunatic or a pathological liar,". Why don't they let him see what happens next in the STOCKS. Ask the "Time Traveler" which one to invest and which one don't. If the results can be seen in two weeks, just like what he has done, why don't the guys from SEC give it a try?

#22 from worm at 2:44 am on Apr 03, 2003

can some1 prove this crap

#23 from worm at 2:53 am on Apr 03, 2003

u should get drug tested....

#24 from Joe Katzman at 3:01 am on Apr 03, 2003

Worm, someone earlier (and me in the main post) has a link that verifies it as an urban legend. BUT, it's pretty entertaining to speculate about it as if it was true, and deal with the paradoxes etc.

#25 from Hawk at 5:23 am on Apr 07, 2003

Uh, hello! Did anyone notice that this was posted on April 1st?? Hum. What occurs on April first?? Granted I am a stupid bird, but isn't that..oh.. APRIL FOOLS DAY!?!

Gezz!!!

#26 from jeff at 6:43 pm on Apr 07, 2003

If there is no record of him before Dec 2002, how do they know he is 44?

#27 from Randy at 4:01 am on Apr 08, 2003

I'm surprised we have not heard anything more about this, if it was a hoax then why are we not being informed? The FBI definetly wants to try to discredit this individual, this man has leverage against these people, advanced knowledge, so if they let him go and he does dissapear into the future do you realy think they would admit it, someone he left behind is very wealthy! If you don't think he can't bribe his way out, you better think twice, 350 million dollars! I don't know if this is true or not, but physicists do say time travel is possible, and god said, "time does not exist in my world". That means everything is happening at once, so time is realy an illusion of the third dimension, hard to believe, I never experienced this so I can not say time travel does exist, if it is true they will never tell, who would believe them, and how do you prove it, but if he is lying they will make a mockery of him! There is a strong possibility this was a joke, but who knows, just imagine trying to tell somebody two hundred years ago that humans will travel to the moon, they would laugh at you and probably lock you up. This is fun stuff, real or not real.

#28 from Simon at 8:35 am on Apr 08, 2003

Originally posted by Randy - 'and god said, "time does not exist in my world". '

God is as real as time travel. It makes me chuckle that you tried to explain something scientific and then had that poking out in the middle of your post. As for the guy, well he needs to stop taking acid.

#29 from syrus at 3:09 am on Apr 21, 2003

Tell me more about this story, time travel and all...

#30 from Clive at 2:37 pm on Apr 22, 2003

Has anyone considered what the money would be worth in 200 years. After inflation, probably not much. Also wouldn't it seem a bit suspicious if he suddenly has 200 year old currency. If he invests it in some companies or trust funds, then how is he going to legally obtain this in the future. There probably is some method to transfer the funds to his future but what would it be worth? If he didn't research his being arrested then I doubt he has any idea about transferring the money. If the past is not immutable then how can he be sure he will recieve the money? Just some thoughts. Serveral co-workers actually thought this story was true and I have sold the Brooklyn Bridge five times, any other believers out there want a piece of the bridge.

#31 from nevrar at 4:14 pm on May 06, 2003

Time travel is an paradox as time is linear.
Besides, if he's in the future, he would already be rich from his investments in the past (that he travelled back to in the past to make), Therefore, he would never need to travel into the past to make the investments. Therefore he never made any money, never got arrested in the past.

As for the comment about God, if God invented time, then time travel is irrelevant to him.

#32 from Joe at 11:51 am on May 27, 2003

Obviously if this was true he would've taken the hundreds of millions that he had made and converted it into something that was valuable in his time: ie gold or diamonds etc and then taken it back with him on his ship.

In regards to all the people saying that he should've already known he'd been arrested that is simply not true. Once he came back in "the past" everything he does changes the future. So the future he knew would have never documented his arrest because it never happened until he went back and changed things.

By the way the only way this is all feasible is if you believe in parallel universes.

#33 from vormpie at 9:06 pm on May 27, 2003

Not true actually...
=he could not have come from ''our future'' because we died in it...
=He came from ''HIS TIMELINE'' not ours.... so..
=He did not change his future in his timeline... because he isnt there anymore
=He cant change our future...because our future is now..
=he could only live his future together with us..... making a future together..

see.... our individual timelines would end where we end... if we could jump timelines.. you would instantly be lost.. never to go back again...
But we cant!...

Also... he could not know what was going to happen.... because he joined our timeline.. making it totally different from the one he lived before...

(so.. if parallel unverses could explain this... then it isnt true)

#34 from anonymous so governemt cant get me at 3:37 pm on Feb 03, 2004

Why doesnt the FBI just take his historical facts as evidence such as the cure for aids and let him go?

Because they dont want something such as a time traveller being real to reach the public. Similar to UFO's, no one in the government will admit anything on it. Or maybe they just want his time craft? Just think of what they could do with it, President Bush could take over the world, just like he's always wanted.

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