You have to go over to Roger Simon's to check out this thread (started by the snarky Tom Tomorrow cartoon at Salon on 'Chickenhawks'). I only have a limited amount of snark, so can't see wasting it here, but I did want to make sure that no one got left out of the fun. I'm always being busted for talking about the 'irrational left' without pointing to any examples; so here's one. Folks, click over and meet Matt:
As far as Saddam's cruelty goes, it is greatly exaggerated. By world standards, particularly in the Middle East, he wasn't that bad. As long as you didn't oppose him politically you could pretty much carry on your regular life. I'm not defending him, mind you. I'm saying that he is no worse than your average dictator, and I don't see the hawks clamoring to topple, say, the president of Uzbekistan, who boils his political opponents live. Saddam quashed a rebellion and killed a bunch of people in the process. As I said before, standard practice for a head of state. Try taking up arms against the government with a few thousand people and see if you don't get killed and dumped in a mass grave.
To R.C. Dean: did you not see my other post on this "300,000" number? Saddam killed these people in an uprising that was egged on by our own President. So it seems a little strange to me to use that as evidence of Saddam's cruelty. And are Iraqis more free today than they were under Saddam? I don't know, let's see. Saddam let them have weapons, Bremer won't. Saddam didn't send soldiers for sweeps through people's houses to see if they had guns. In fact, if you didn't challenge Saddam politically he pretty much left you alone. Citizens of other countries have worse deals. Oh, and you forgot to mention all the U.S. soldiers who died in this war, since we're playing the "whose policy saves more lives" game.Now I certainly don't hold the Democratic nominees or progressives in general responsible for this fella. But since he and his buds are the ones Mr. and Mrs. America will see in the letters to the editor section, they tend to be the ones who public opinion coalesces around. And public opinion is not going to be kind. As a counterpoint to both Mike and Tom T., I'll offer a link to an article from back in the days when salon was inconoclastic and interesting. The money quote?
I wish I still believed, as I used to, that the United Nations was always the world's best chance to avert bloodshed. I wish I could join, as I once would have, the placard-waving peace protesters outside the U.S. Consulate here in Sydney. I wish I'd never seen the piece of ear nailed to the wall.[corected doofus mistake in poster's name.] JK UPDATE: Fellow biker Mike Hendrix throws in an even more egregious quote from Democratic Underground (shooting fish in a barrel, that is), then adds a very interesting example of Republican Presidential nominee Dewey remaining close-mouthed about a major intelligence failure while running against FDR.