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December 15, 2003Robin's Iraq Report: 2003-12-15by Robin Burk at December 15, 2003 4:20 AM
TOP TOPICS
Other Topics Today Include: Task Force 121; Jordanian help; Israeli help; New army on strike; Chinese support for Saddam; Trying Saddam; Drying up the funding for insurgents; Prime contracts for Iraq reconstruction; Iraqi debt forgiveness; A journalist war hero; The Marines return; The disloyal opposition; WMD warheads for RPG launchers. REPORTS FROM THE FIELD
RECONSTRUCTION & THE ECONOMY
INTERNATIONAL STAGE
WMD HUNT
N.B. Al-Dabbagh had spied for the Iraqi National Accord, a London-based exile group, for several years before the war and is now working as an adviser for the Iraqi Governing Council. Al-Dabbagh is also the source of the story cited above about Chinese involvement in Iraqi air defense planning during the runup to the war. Expect more intelligence sources to go public with their claims, some of which will be solid and some of which might be shaky. ETCETERA
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#1 from Jean Bart at 8:10 am on Dec 15, 2003
Baker's trip has very little to do with debt forgiveness. The whole "Amnesty International never said anything about Iraq under Sadaam" is a canard. Anyone claiming such is ignorant or a liar (I suspect the latter in this case due to the information I present below). A suggestion: instead of repeating it, go to AI's website and look at their country reports; they are quite graphic in detail, etc. regarding Iraq. In fact, if anyone "ignored" Sadaam's atrocities it was the West, including the US I might add (the US blocked a 1986 UNSC resolution concerning gas attacks against the Iranians for example). The fact that Bush included remarks by AI in his dossier "A Decade of Deception" that he presented to the UN in Septermber of 2002 illustrates of how useful AI's continous coverage and reporting of human rights abuses were when the US needed them. Powell also impliedly alluded them in his presentation to the UN in February 2003. To qoute from AI on the use of their documentation by Bush: "The US and other western governments turned a blind eye to Amnesty International reports of widespread human rights violations in Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war, and ignored Amnesty's campaign on behalf of the thousands of unarmed Kurdish civilians killed in the 1988 attacks on Halabja." BTW, having been an AI member for well over twenty years, I have seen numerous letter writing campaigns, press briefings, etc. done on Saddam's regime. AI Library of articles on Iraq going back to the mid-1990s: http://web.amnesty.org/library/eng-irq/index
#2 from buck smith at 3:50 pm on Dec 15, 2003
Regarding getting money to Iraqui bloggers. Can't someone send a traveler's check or cashier check by the same way Jeff Jarvis sent a camera to Zeyad?
#3 from buck smith at 4:11 pm on Dec 15, 2003
Hey Jean, I looked at the AI reports on Iraq from back in the 90s and lots of them seem to be blaming the US and UK effort to hold sanctions in place against Iraq as a primary cause of human rights abuses. Then in the run-up to the war, the reports tend to concentrate on warning Bush and Blair about every consequence of a war: - abuses by Hussein caused by the threat of war What I see with Amnesty International is great concern for rights abuses and suffering everywhere (and an extreme orientation toward finding Western and especially US actions as "root" causes), but no willingness to take the hard actions required to stop it.
#4 from Eric at 5:06 pm on Dec 15, 2003
Hi all, First time post. And I'm gonna ramble. I'm a liberal who actually believes in liberalism, and I'm am jumping for joy at the thought of Saddam finally facing the music. Thanks to the US military, and even G.W. Bush. I'll never vote for him, but freeing millions is about a fine a thing as I can think of. Anyway, being liberal in my mind shouldn't mean being anti-american (many self-styled progressives need to get their heads out of their butts). I've always suspected Baathist Iraq had links to Al-Qaeda. Here's a great link posted by Andrew Sullivan that seems to clearly link Atta with Abu Nidal in Baghdad in the Summer of 2001. Note it reported in the mainstream press, not some fringe webste!!!!
#5 from Jean Bear at 10:44 pm on Dec 15, 2003
buck smith, One of the reasons why the Bush administration was pushing "smart sanctions" prior to 9/11 to was stem the problems occurring there because of the overall sanctions regime. Its not as if this idea was "fringe" in the 1990s and prior to 9/11. "What I see with Amnesty International is great concern for rights abuses and suffering everywhere..." AI members take that as a compliment I think. "and an extreme orientation toward finding Western and especially US actions as "root" causes" This is a lie; utter hogwash. The fact is that AI started its campaigns against torture, etc. in the West, Europe specifically, back in the 1960s. And AI has confronted every tyrannicaly regime that Western governments would like to simply ignore or profit from. From Saddam's kleptocracy to the Central Asian thugocracies to Cuba to Panama to South Africa to Russia. Our question of course to the American government is, where the fuck were you in 1986 or 1988, when Saddam was reigning death down on people? You were - along with Thatcher's Britain - blocking UNSC resolutions condemning these acts. When people talk about Reagan as a champion of liberty, I nearly puke - his support for the Romanias and Iraqs of the world was truly revolting. "...but no willingness to take the hard actions required to stop it." AI members have risked their lives in reporting on and dealing w/human rights abuses. I suppose in your mind we should fund a private army and start invading every country on the planet with a horrendous human rights record. AI does what it can; and generally does more than any other country does in this area.
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