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January 12, 2004Andrew's Winds of War: 2004-01-12by Andrew Olmsted at January 12, 2004 4:26 AM
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Other Topics Today Include: OIF II kicks off; Iraqis riot for jobs; America claims it has proof of Russian perfidy; and the Dutch may have found a few of Saddam's WMDs. IRAQ BRIEFING
Hat tip: The Agonist.
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Excerpt: My apologies for not posting much lately, but I've spent the last three days downranges helping to train forces heading to OIF II. All my blogging today, such as it was, went to putting together today's Winds of War, so...
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Comments
#1 from John at 6:24 am on Jan 12, 2004
The Danes found the mortar shells, not the Dutch.
#2 from Andrew J. Lazarus at 6:36 am on Jan 12, 2004
The chemical munitions were in violation only to the extent that the Iraqis appear to have lost track of them and to formally destroy them. They aren't in remotely usable condition, and I think it's more likely that they were buried after the Iran-Iraq war to get rid of them easily, than to cache them for future use. Although vicious, they could hardly qualify as weapons of mass destruction. All the same, I think you and I might be of one mind as part of a shared desire to find and keep track of such nasty things regardless of when it was buried. As for it being a weapon of mass destruction or not, I know I sure has heck wouldn't want one going off in a civilian area. must be nice to be an iraqi and be able to riot without having your family murdered.
#5 from DrSteve at 4:27 pm on Jan 12, 2004
Since test results aren't even back definitively IDing these as blister agent, I think it's a bit too soon to speculate on their not being in serviceable condition. I have no idea how long that stuff keeps, although I'm sure this thread will soon contain info from those who do. My position all along has been that if Hussein was being squirrelly about even a single truckload of CW munitions, it was worth a war for regime change. A single CW artillery shell turned into an IED in a shopping mall might kill hundreds, if not thousands, and would do so horribly -- not to mention causing much broader panic.
#6 from Fromer Resident at 4:45 pm on Jan 12, 2004
I guess then we need outside intervention to help us find the *lost CW weapons in Washington DC.*
#7 from m at 6:41 pm on Jan 12, 2004
Kenneth Pollack has some thoughts. very interesting There is a post in our collective weblog(* Free thoughts on Iran*),regarding the barring of Iranian parliament members from election, and the author has discussed his views of the situation. I think you may find it interesting.
#9 from What? at 2:58 am on Jan 13, 2004
"I think it's more likely that they were buried after the Iran-Iraq war to get rid of them easily, than to cache them for future use." I love this responce for the simple reason that it is the spring board for this point. If these weapons were buried without the intent to hide them but only to "get rid of them easily" and it has taken 8 plus months on the ground to find them. Just imagine the difficultly in finding one's that were hidden with a good plan and much attention to detail in the hiding. They had 12 years to come up with plans to make hidding and finding the weapons impossible.
#10 from Andrew J. Lazarus at 3:55 am on Jan 13, 2004
Say what, What? Disposing of something in a convenient way doesn't mean it's necessarily easy to retrieve?! Non-Iraq example: some nasty people pour used motor oil down the storm sewers because it's quick and easy instead of taking it to an approved depot. That doesn't mean it's easy to fish the oil out of San Francisco Bay?! A great discussion on Iraq by liberal hawks appears in Slate today and all week. Of course it's nice to locate and destroy these dangerous chemicals, but their condition suggests there role as weapons was over long ago.
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