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February 24, 2004Nathan's Central Asia "-Stans Summary": 2004-02-24by Nathan Hamm at February 24, 2004 5:48 AM
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Excerpt: Throughout recorded history, every few hundred years or so something evil sweeps out of Central Asia and threatens the civilized...
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#1 from paul at 4:18 pm on Feb 24, 2004
At the risk of pissing on the "Pakistani forces cooperating" parade, apparently not all of them are on board. Elements of the Pakistani ISI working with US troops searching for Bin Laden are prone to leaking mission info and tipping people off. Estimates are that around half of the missions are compromised by the "cooperating" Pakistani forces.
#2 from Mike at 4:29 pm on Feb 24, 2004
Wow, lot of good updates there... Enough reading to keep me busy for a while. Good job! I have to agree with Paul. It's hard to fault the Administration for not wanting to go to war with Pakistan (which would be required if we really wanted to get bin Laden). But Pakistani "cooperation" has a Potemkin Village quality to it. Given the recent decertification, I would imagine that, pardon the expression, Kerimov got religion in the HR area as Fatima Mukhadirova has been freed. Even though the suspension of aid was waived, given the upcoming additional certification later this year without the special interest waiver, certainly, as the HRW report linked to above argues, real progress had to be shown. If the progress continues - and I'm cautiously optimistic - this will be an effective use of the certification process, something which has been tainted over several administrations. You're right about Karimov seeing the light, and really, that's the argument I'd been making about why we made Uzbekistan the first post-Soviet state to receive a failing grade on the Nunn-Lugar CTR aid. And, this is why I keep making the case for engagement on HRW (though they have gotten a number of voters to pressure Congressmen, and that is appreciated), but to the US for twisting Uzbekistan's arm. Well, I think that HRW deserves some of the credit and credit can certainly be shared. I'll admit you're right, but HRW really rubs me the wrong way. They are way too black and white for my tastes and treat Hizb ut-Tahrir like it's just a VW bus full of peace-loving flower children rather than the fascists they are. (I do like Forum 18 quite a bit for not falling into that trap.) As a result, I think that HRW is way too concerned with pointing out how, in some way, in every circumstance, the US is to blame for human rights abuses, especially when they occur in an allied state. HRW criticizes but offers little in the way of a plan for dealing with rights abusers beyond saying, "No, bad. If you don't stop, we're going home." It's important for HRW to recognize that by sticking the course, the US is getting (admittedly small) results, and that HRW only operates in places like Uzbekistan on the US-created good graces of the host goverhments. HRW best plays the role of witness to crimes than policy advocate and executor, IMO. Well, I think that their support of the ICC was a concrete way to deal with human rights abusers. I also think (and I don't want to hijack the thread) that the fact the ICC has made it's first investigations covering the Democratic Republic of the Congo and the recent attack by the LRA in Uganda should put to rest some the hysteria inthis country that has surrounded its creation.
#9 from dick thompson at 10:26 pm on Feb 24, 2004
I don't think you are at all wrong with your characterisation of HRW. They seem to be totally unable to admit that the US does anything good at all and their supporters are very good at pointing fingers after the fact of anything happening at all. People are released and the US is blamed if someone stubs a toe walking out of the prison.
#10 from dick thompson at 10:26 pm on Feb 24, 2004
I don't think you are at all wrong with your characterisation of HRW. They seem to be totally unable to admit that the US does anything good at all and their supporters are very good at pointing fingers after the fact of anything happening at all. People are released and the US is blamed if someone stubs a toe walking out of the prison.
#11 from Omar at 10:06 am on Feb 25, 2004
Although the woman whose son was boiled alive has had her "conviction" overturned, at the moment, she has still not been released. How can anyone trust a government (like Karimov's) that inject political dissidents with HIV infected needles and puts other health men in TB wards? For these governments, it is just about interests. The charges against the man in Russia are trumped-up as usual. Below is an extract from the following link: http://www.muslimuzbekistan.com/eng/ennews/2003/08/ennews22082003_1.html On the morning of July 20 he was arrested. Two men walked up to Khamroyev's car, parked outside his apartment building on Ulitsa Novgorodskaya in northern Moscow, while two others hung back, according to his wife, who was with him in the car. "They pulled him out of the car by the neck," Ismailova said. "And I saw one of them stick his hand in my husband's back pocket, I saw something that looked like the corner of a piece of paper sticking out of his hand." Khamroyev tried to protest, saying, "I know you've planted something on me," she said. Police hit Khamroyev around the liver while leading him away and made racial slurs toward Muslims, Ismailova said.
#12 from Don White at 4:09 am on Feb 20, 2006
I don't mean to be lazy but will someone give me a short history of the 8 "-stns" of central Asia?
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