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June 29, 2004Robi & Nitin's S. Asia Briefing: 2004-06-28by Robi Sen at June 29, 2004 10:18 AM
THE THAW AND THE MELT
Other Topics Today Include: Double agents and nuclear con-men in India; Palace intrigues and provincial rebellions in Pakistan; Nuclear Proliferation; India and Israel; Much ado about something in Bangladesh; Potential missteps in Afghanistan; Dalai Lama rejects Colonel Saunders in Tibet. INDIA - NO EASY TANGO
PAKISTAN - INTRIGUES, REBELLIONS AND A NEW PRIME MINISTER
INDIA AND ISRAEL
NUCLEAR PROLIFERATION
BANGLADESH - OH I SEE
AFGHANISTAN - DIABOLICAL PACT IN THE OFFING
DALAI LAMA REJECTS COLONEL SAUNDERS Tracked: June 28, 2004 11:10 AM
Winds of Change.NET South Asia Briefing from The Acorn
Excerpt: Robi Sen and I have put up this month's South Asia Briefing on Winds of Change.NET. Topics include: The Thaw and the Melt; Double agents and nuclear con-men in India; Palace intrigues and provincial rebellions in Pakistan; Nuclear Proliferation; India ...
Tracked: June 29, 2004 7:34 PM
Thaw And Freeze In South Asia from The Cardinal Collective
Excerpt: Since the Pakistan-India border and relationship is one of the crucial flashpoints in the world right now, it's worth paying attention. Courtesy of Winds of Change, we can see that the Pakistan-India relationship is warming (though, as the Himalayan ic...
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The air force exercise results should not be surprising - and they should be taken with a grain of salt. Follow the link re: Indian analysts. The MIG-21 kill was apparently a single incident, and many of the SU-30s victories were in "beyond visual range" engagements. 2 things worth noting. [1] The MIG-21 has a low "profile" in the air, and ACEVAL/TACEVAL exercises in the USA have demonstrated long ago that F-5s (which are often used to simulate MIG-21s) can achieve surprisingly close kill ratios to F-15s if they can either face them at lopsided odds ("quantity has a quality of its own") or get into hairy dogfight situations. It's definitely something that can happen, and one kill in an exercise doesn't prove anything except good on the Indian pilot. But in a prepared battlefield the kill ratio for the F-15 is ridiculous as the Israelis have shown. [2] BVR ("beyond visual range") engagements are wildly overestimated by the USAF, and have been for a long time. In actual combat over the last 40 years, the ratio of BVR kills vs. close in fights with heat-seekers or cannons is not promising at all. So they're measuring the wrong thing, and probably setting kill odds a bit on the high side to boot. The SU-30 is a very fine aircraft, and can hold its own against F-15s if the pilots are of equal quality, but this doesn't prove much of anything to me. Certainly not that the F-22 is the most important investment for the USAF. Joe, The India media originally called the MiG-21s 'flying coffins' given their nasty habit of falling off the sky during training missions. So when, there was a teeny bit that suggested the elderly MiG's bested F-15's the media over-reacted in the opposite direction. The MIG-21s are flying coffins. Their IAF fatality rates are impressive. Your analysis is pretty much on the mark. The interesting thing is that many nations use them, and the F-5s as well. India knows the problems, but can't give them up because they're still a sizable interceptor fleet. There would appear to be a market niche for an inexpensive fighter with supersonic performance, above the Hawk/ Alpha Jet/ AMX but below the SU-27/ F-16/ Mirage 2000 level. I wonder who will fill it... perhaps the F-20 was simply ahead of its time.
#4 from Colt at 7:17 pm on Jun 29, 2004
India's tacit alliance with Israel is probably going to undergo some significant damage. India has been cultivating Iran as an ally against Pakistan. India and Iran both backed forces in Afghanistan opposed to the Taliban/Pakistan, so co-operating against a common foe is hardly new for them. There has been suggestion that the Turkish government is attempting to move towards Syria and away from Israel (as shown by increased "cultural" and economic co-operation between Syria and Turkey, and serious diplomatic over-reaction to the Rafah operations). Colt, India's tacit alliance will not undergo significant damage...because it is tacit. What may change is that you will find Indian politicians more vocal in their criticism of Sharon's policies. Even those arms purchases which India has decided to hold back on affect vendors across the board - including Russian, Israeli and India's own domestic suppliers. I do not think these are Israel specific moves. The major change will be in terms of photo opportunities. You wont be seeing Indian and Israeli PMs hugging or shaking hands for the next few years at least. I am not sure how deep India's alliance could be with Iran knowing that Iran has helped Al Queda, the Taliban as well as various organizations that have been operating against India. I did not get a chance to add this from the Strategypage. http://www.strategypage.com//fyeo/qndguide/default.asp?target=INDIA.HTM Robi sen is doing a good job providing south asians with a useful platform for airing their views. India and pakistan need to come together in a EU style of union- SAARCISTAN? This will help to reduce the chances for a war between them and also help to alleviate the crushing poverty which is the no 1 enemy of this region. The 140 million muslims of india find it hard to imagine that india would have any enmity towards pakistan. The indian muslims are doing pretty well for themselves in india and they long for peace and happiness always. A few gujarat-like cases do mar the atmosphere or kashmir is still a thorn but they also know that if pakistan wishes to have peace all these problems will vanish. Indians are to blame for many things but by and large the country of gandhi and mother teresa is a peace haven. India should be given a seat in the UN security council with veto power and the council should be increased to 4 or 5 more members which will make the security council truly representative of the new powers in the world. our sufi saint jogi sain baba and his master hazrat sainji nasir mohammed saheb fakir sufi al qadiri r.a would bless the unity of indians and pakistanis- www.sufijalalani.com - they did so many miracles when they were alive - now their gadhi nashin hazrat oshaq ali would similarly love to see india and pakistan united under a common flag- obviatng the need for visas to travel between the two countries. A saarcistan would usher in an era of peace and prosperity all over the region and in the world- regards- hiro bachani I am surprised to know that the response to this site is so slow.Why? Are NRIs not interested in doing something for their country. It might interest you to see the tremendous movement on SULEKHA.COM . Anyway india and pakistan are yawning matters in america. Everyone knows that the al qaida people got their first taste of success with the help of the pakistanis. And now the pakistanis are trying to eliminate the monster they had created with american help. In the bargain pakistanis will get billions of dollars in aid. This is indeed a very strange world. But indians have to learn a lot from such exercises of world politics.regards- hiro bachani- www.sufijalalani.com OM NAMOH SHIVAI HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA LORD JESUS CHRIST HOLY MARY MOTHER OF GOD AMEN
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