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September 10, 20041952 & 2004: From Doctrines to Policyby Joe Katzman at September 10, 2004 4:46 AM
The "professional" media seems to be mired in Vietnam trivia, forgeries, shoddy reporting, and outright lies. Fortunately, we aren't "professionals" - so we can still bring you quality stuff. Yesterday, our special analysis discussed the broad outlines of America's changed foreign policy since 9/11, and noted that the 2004 election may be about "The Bush Doctrine's" continuation or abandonment. We use the word "may" because we have some history for you. Specifically, 1947-1952, when The Truman Doctrine and "containment" were very controversial. Norman Podhoretz explains:
The rest of Podhoretz' article explains why he doesn't think we're likely to face the same happy outcome in 2004, and it's definitely worth reading if you have some time. Even though I had seen and even blogged much of the material he cites, I must say that seeing it all in one place made for depressing reading. Podhoretz hopes that if the Democrats win we'll get a replay of 1952, and that his prediction about their abandonment of The Bush Doctrine will be proved wrong. My prayer is slightly different. I pray that his proposition will not be tested until his prediction is certain to be wrong, or until the Democratic Party puts forward a better framework for addressing a future of terrorism, proliferation, and Wretchard's Damoclean 3 Conjectures. Returning to the approaches whose egregious failure was chillingly revealed on Sept. 11, 2001 just isn't going to cut it. Tracked: June 17, 2005 10:00 AM
Special Analysis: The Bush Doctrine from Winds of Change.NET
Excerpt: Indepundit explains The Bush Doctrine in simple language. We add one key point, plus some excellent background on nuclear/WMD proliferation and the stakes involved. That isn't just the big question for America's 2004 election; it's the big question for...
Tracked: July 28, 2005 4:40 AM
9/11: Risin' Up From The Ashes... from Winds of Change.NET
Excerpt: Amidst the clamour and tumult of all the 9/11 related posts over the past 3 years, some in particular have deeply impressed me. Allow me to share them with you...
Tracked: September 11, 2005 11:10 PM
9/11 Comprehensive Roundup 2005: Risin' Up From The Ashes... from Winds of Change.NET
Excerpt: Amidst the clamour and tumult of all the 9/11 related posts over the past 3 years, some in particular have deeply impressed me. Allow me to share them with you...
Tracked: September 11, 2006 5:16 AM
9/11 Comprehensive Roundup 2006: Five Years In - And So It Begins... from Winds of Change.NET
Excerpt: The Falling Man "Did you exchange A walk on part in the war For a lead role in a cage?" 9/11. Of course you remember where you were. That day was a summons, a call;...
Comments
Joe: Returning to the approaches whose egregious failure was chillingly revealed on Sept. 11, 2001 just isn't going to cut it. Out of the mouths of babes (and Canadians ;-)) comes much wisdom. IMO a first step is acknowledging that taking the defense of the nation seriously is not (or not merely) a partisan issue. There has been a remarkable continuity of American foreign policy over the years across generations and across party lines. Mr. Clinton to his credit was in large part continuing the policies of his predecessors in office. The reluctance to confront terrorists with force directly was not unique to his Administration. Mr. Reagan shared that reluctance cf. Lebanon. But the Democratic Party has a unique problem. A significant part of their base (I suspect about a third) would be hard put to find any circumstances under which they would defend the country with military force. Three of the Democrats running for their party's nomination for president (Kucinich, Sharpton, Moseley-Braun) took the position of immediate, unconditional withdrawal from Iraq damn the consequences. Most of the members of my own family belong to this wing of the party.
#2 from USMC at 9:29 pm on Sep 10, 2004
Dave
Now I’m curious Dave where exactly do you fall on the issue of use of military force? Do you think that a third of the base could turn to a majority of pacifists? Joe USMC: Now I’m curious Dave where exactly do you fall on the issue of use of military force? Do you think that a third of the base could turn to a majority of pacifists? I don't have a problem with the use of military force per se and believe that to date in the WoT the use of force has been remarkably (and possibly excessively) restrained. I honestly can't figure out what in the world a lot of Democrats are thinking these days. Some of my own family members (sisters and in-laws) believe that the whole War on Terror thing has been drummed up for GWB's political advantage. They are not very well-informed and not likely to get much better informed (and these are all extremely bright, well-educated people). They're still protesting the Viet Nam War. Continuing from above. To give you an idea of the disconnect, I was watching Meet the Press a couple of months ago with one of my sisters and she commented that Tom Brokaw and Tim Russert were right-wing political hacks in the pay of corporate interests. This from a woman with a Masters degree and an IQ around 130.
#5 from USMC at 12:30 am on Sep 11, 2004
Dave All in all I guess there is a lot to be said about everyday common sense. I also agree with you on your statement of talented and insightful people here at the WoC. Not only are they civil, their arguments are well laid out (regardless of belief). As for myself I'm just your run of the mill high school educated some college citizen that likes to spend his time playing with his grand child. Not to mention having an avid interest in politics local, state and federal due to the fact it affects my life as well as my families.
#6 from Greg F at 1:21 am on Sep 12, 2004
"This from a woman with a Masters degree and an IQ around 130." IQ doesn't measure wisdom nor does it preclude someone from being ruled by emotion. Greg F: Funny, that's just what my mom said. ;-)
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