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September 11, 20059/11 Comprehensive Roundup 2005: Risin' Up From The Ashes...by Joe Katzman at September 11, 2005 8:46 AM
(This entry originally ran on Sept. 11, 2004 - I've updated it. Hat tip to Canadian rocker Bryan Adams for this post's title) 9/11. Of course you remember where you were. That day was a summons, a call; many answered it, in many different ways. Our team is here because of it. In all probability, so are you. This September 11th we honour those who answered that call, and those who answer it still. Amidst the clamour and tumult of all the 9/11 related posts and articles over the past 4 years, some stand out and speak more truly to the essence of that dark day - and the challenges that lie before us still. What part will you play? "Ah," you say, "but I'm not a writer, or a hero." Funny, but I've got a few people in here who would have said the very same thing.
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Never forget. Never yield. The stakes are far, far too high. Tracked: September 11, 2004 4:43 AM
Remember from Caerdroia
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September 11th - Part 3 from BLACKFIVE
Excerpt: Joe Katzman at Winds of Change has a great round-up of links to the best posts, articles, and essays about September 11th.
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Letters to America from Ghost of a flea
Excerpt: I open this post to make a list of posts this September 11, 2004. "Remembering S11", Chrenkoff argues it will be a long war "but there is no other option." "9/11", Dean Esmay is still angry. "Letter from America", Harry's...
Tracked: September 11, 2004 4:18 PM
We will never forget from The Cool Blue Blog
Excerpt: On September 11th, 2001 my son was at Forth Sam Houston, Texas in Advanced Infantry Training (AIT) for his specialty as a Combat Medic. A month later, he was heading home for leave prior to his first duty assignment with
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Three years after from The Glittering Eye
Excerpt: Three years ago today I rose, put on my sweats, walked the dogs, had my breakfast, and fed the dogs as I do every day of my life. I then sat and watched the news as I do every day....
Tracked: September 11, 2004 5:58 PM
Why we fight.... from The Pink Flamingo Bar Grill
Excerpt: Update it bears remembering that these people who have lied about our soldiers in Vietnam, lied about the wounds they suffered, lied about where they were on Christmas, lied about what the results of their anti war activities would be, lied about evi...
Tracked: September 11, 2004 7:37 PM
CHANGE from chiasm.blog-city.com
Excerpt: So, how about this 9/11/04? No words of mine can say anything worthy about those that died, the Event itself, or its effect on the world, America, or our politics, &c - but I'll say something, briefly, about myself -
To some, 9/11/01 was a sign
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9/11 from
Excerpt: Since other people are much better at these kinds of things than I am, I offer 9/11 posts from others.
I highly reccomend Jodi's post about hearing about the attack from Kyrgyzstan (she was one of those evacuated along with us from Uzbekistan). I ...
Tracked: September 11, 2004 8:41 PM
9/11 from
Excerpt: Since other people are much better at these kinds of things than I am, I offer 9/11 posts from others.
I highly reccomend Jodi's post about hearing about the attack from Kyrgyzstan (she was one of those evacuated along with us from Uzbekistan). I ...
Tracked: September 11, 2004 11:31 PM
TURNING POINTS from Peaktalk
Excerpt: Although I am not a great fan of recycling old stuff – I don’t think I have ever done that – today, September 11 is the moment to re-run my piece of last year, scroll down to read This is
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September 11th from The Urban Empire
Excerpt: Remember.
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Winds of Change from Mudville Gazette
Excerpt: Days like these it's most strange to be on foreign soil. We went out to eat; small German restaurant in Landstuhl village. The town was packed, some roads were closed, parking was not to be found. A Wine Festival, an...
Tracked: September 12, 2004 1:29 AM
9/11 Links from Notes & Musings
Excerpt: Two excellent 9/11 link-rich posts, at Brothers Judd and Winds of Change. I've only clicked on a few of the links so far, and to point to one over another would probably just do a disservice to a lot of...
Tracked: September 12, 2004 2:49 AM
9/11 Links List from In Bill's World
Excerpt: I've been surfing the web looking for the best 9/11 posts to link to, then just found out Winds of Change has already done the job, and quite well. ... Hat tip: BlackFive
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The Blogsphere Remembers 9/11 from In Search of Utopia
Excerpt: Chad from In The Bullpen, asked me to contribute to a Blog Tribute to 9/11. The Goal is to write about your experiences that day. So far: Digger Right on Red and Political Musings Have all posted. I hope...
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Voice of a Prophet? from Letters from New York City
Excerpt: On this day I would like to honor and thank those courageous and dedicated men and women of our Armed Forces, who continue to give of themselves for love of their family and country. You may count amongst your fallen brothers my colleague, friend and m...
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Would I have done what they did? from Legacy Matters™
Excerpt: Abe Avremel Zelmanowitz was called "the saint of the burning towers" t was a relatively modest funeral for the man the American media had dubbed "the saint of the burning towers" a few months ago. At 4 P.M. on Monday, just a few dozen people gathered o...
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9/11 Roundup from JoeWorld
Excerpt: Winds of Change has a tremendous round-up of 9/11 related articles....
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9/11: Risin' Up From The Ashes... from Winds of Change.NET
Excerpt: Amidst the clamour and tumult of all the 9/11 related posts over the past 3 years, some in particular have deeply impressed me. Allow me to share them with you...
Tracked: September 11, 2005 5:35 AM
9-11 : Never forget from Kesher Talk
Excerpt: Huge link roundup from 9-11, 2003. Links to many bloggers’ accounts of that day, and poetry, as well as news stories. I reposted some of these in this entry. In the extended entry are photos of “Hell at ground Zero”...
Tracked: September 11, 2005 2:03 PM
9/11 from Caerdroia
Excerpt: Four years later, Joe Katzman provides a remembrance full of links and thoughts....
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A Day For Remembering from CALIFORNIA YANKEE
Excerpt: [This was originally posted September 11, 2004. I have also reposted "Flame Of Hope" which was written by my son and originally posted on September 14, 2004. I have also linked to other blogs with "never forget posts."] It was
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NEVER, NEVER FORGET from Michelle Malkin
Excerpt: So the MSM wants to see bodies? On this fourth anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks on America, let's remember these: Credit: Richard Drew, AP; see also Tom Junod's must-read and re-read, "The Falling Man" And these. And these. And...
Tracked: September 11, 2005 2:58 PM
Four years later from Petrified Truth
Excerpt: Always remember. The memories of September 11th will never leave us. We will not forget the burning towers, and the last phone calls, and the smoke over Arlington. We will not forget the rescuers who ran toward danger, and the...
Tracked: September 11, 2005 2:58 PM
September 11th, 2005 from Bryan's Basement
Excerpt: Four years later. Don't forget. There's an awesome roundup of memorial posts and related thoughts here:Winds of Change.NET: 9/11: Risin' Up From The Ashes.... via Instapundit
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Never forget. from What Attitude Problem?
Excerpt: Essential reading for today: Start with American Digest (of course) and Notes Made on 11 September 2001. Steven Den Beste provides a high-level strategic view of the cause of the war at USS Clueless. While reading Wretchard's infamous 3 Conjectures,
Tracked: September 11, 2005 3:42 PM
Remembering 9-11-01 from Sister Toldjah
Excerpt: It’s impossible to watch documentaries about 9-11 without recalling your own memories of what you were doing that day. As we approach the 4th anniversary of 9-11, I wanted to share with you my personal 9-11 story. I originally posted this on my blog ...
Tracked: September 11, 2005 3:50 PM
9/11 from Blogs for Bush
Excerpt: Remembering. Remembering. Remembering. Remembering. Remembering. Remembering. Remembering. Remembering. Remembering. Remembering. Remembering. Remembering. Remembering. Remembering. Remembering/ Remembering. Remembering. Remembering. Remembering. Remem...
Tracked: September 11, 2005 4:03 PM
Remembering 9/11 from The Glittering Eye
Excerpt: There are many 9/11 reflections being posted today.
Blog-father Joe Katzman has re-posted and updated his third year anniversary post.
There’s an extensive round-up of links and resources at Cox & Forkum.
There are also a few reflectio...
Tracked: September 11, 2005 4:08 PM
4 Years Later from Jeff Quinton - Backcountry Conservative
Excerpt: At World Defense Review, W. Thomas Smith, Jr. republishes some of the reporting he did from New York in the days and weeks after 9/11. I remember talking to him on the phone a couple of times during that...
Tracked: September 11, 2005 4:31 PM
Never Forget from The Laughing Wolf
Excerpt: The networks that demand to show you bodies from Katrina are the same ones who are too cowardly and venal to show you the horrors of the day, or to pay honest tribute to the heros of that day. They...
Tracked: September 11, 2005 4:51 PM
9/11: A Vivid Memory of a Horrible Day from Anchor Rising
Excerpt: We all have vivid memories of where we were on September 11, 2001. On that fateful morning, my wife was in surgery at Rhode Island Hospital and I was sitting in the waiting room when the morning television programs switched...
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Always Remember September 11th 2001 from Oblogatory Anecdotes
Excerpt: This is the war of the ages. It has been fought for over a thousand years. Ours is but a chapter in the great struggle to keep militant Islam at bay. It is the same war the crusaders fought, and it is the same war we must fight now. Our freedom, ever...
Tracked: September 11, 2005 5:06 PM
Anniversary from small dead animals
Excerpt: After living overseas for about a year and a half, I was now finally home in New York. This time around I had landed a sweet apartment in Lower Manhattan. Situated about six blocks from the World Trade Center and...
Tracked: September 11, 2005 5:28 PM
9/11 - Never Forget from The Political Teen
Excerpt: In memoriam for those who died in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.
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Sept. 11: What were you doing four years ago today? from Area417
Excerpt: I remember the phone call from my husband; it came around this hour four years ago today. He told me that a plane had flown into one of the twin towers. At the time, I thought that a small, private
Tracked: September 11, 2005 5:58 PM
9/11: In Memorium from California Conservative
Excerpt: Never Forget.
A Day of Infamy: Photo Essay and Interactive Memorial
Nation Remembers Victims of 9/11 Attacks
AP reports: "America grieved the victims of Sept. 11 on Sunday as the brothers and sisters of the dead recited their loved one...
Tracked: September 11, 2005 6:14 PM
Remembrance of Things Past from All Things Beautiful
Excerpt: Today we are all New Yorkers again.
We remember, we mourn, and we do not forgive. We stand in unity against terrorism....
Tracked: September 11, 2005 6:19 PM
Spectacular post on 9/11 from The Universal Church of Cosmic Uncertainty
Excerpt: Winds of Change.NET: 9/11: Risin' Up From The Ashes... 9/11. Of course you remember where you were. That day was a summons, a call; many answered it, in many different ways. Our team is here because of it. In all probability, so are you....
Tracked: September 11, 2005 6:35 PM
Did You Forget? Then Remember. from The Sundries Shack
Excerpt: Tomorrow is the 4th Anniversary of 9/11 and, like most folks, I’ll be spending a good amount of time tomorrow thinking about that day and pondering where our country is now, compared to where we were then.
Before I say more, I want to direct yo...
Tracked: September 11, 2005 7:01 PM
9/11 (+4) from Publius Rendezvous
Excerpt: I laughed, I scoffed at my friends. I blatantly told them that they were blowing it out of proportion somehow and arrogantly told them that what they were describing could not conceivably occur in the United States of America.
Then, a man with who...
Tracked: September 11, 2005 7:11 PM
Never Forget from Exit Zero
Excerpt:
Thanks to Mr. Snitch - After 9/11, Remembrance and Renewal...
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Remembering September 11 from The New Editor
Excerpt: Good roundups of the anniversary can be found here, here, here, here, here, and here.
Tracked: September 11, 2005 7:38 PM
9/11 from Argghhh! The Home Of Two Of Jonah's Military Guys..
Excerpt: Take a moment, ponder the event and the impact it's had on our lives - 9/11 echoes in the response to Katrina. Remember the Day... and that while we fight... We also build - and in some cases, fight so...
Tracked: September 11, 2005 8:08 PM
Four years later... from The Cigar Intelligence Agency
Excerpt: ...but we still remember. We will ALWAYS remember. BROADBAND | DIALUP Links to other memorials. UPDATE: Winds of Change has another huge roundup....
Tracked: September 11, 2005 8:45 PM
Remembrance of Things Past from All Things Beautiful
Excerpt: Today we are all New Yorkers again.
We remember, we mourn, and we do not forgive.
Joe Katzman @ Winds of Change has an incredible collection of links to stories, documentaries, photographs, articles on September 11th, and it's aftermath. The war on te...
Tracked: September 11, 2005 9:23 PM
September 11th Remembered from Stop The ACLU
Excerpt:
For those who don't know, I'm a Staff Seargent (E-5) in active duty Air Force. Back in 2001 I was an Airman First Class (E-3). I got orders, and was deployed to Kuwait.
It was actually pretty nice at the base I got stationed at. Our partic...
Tracked: September 11, 2005 10:44 PM
Four years on from Eurabian Times
Excerpt: I don't have anything special or wise to add. I'm still angry as hell, and counting the days until I get to deliver some payback personally. There's a lot of good stuff over at Winds of Change. But Cox and...
Tracked: September 11, 2005 11:10 PM
9/11 Comprehensive Roundup 2005: Risin' Up From The Ashes... from Winds of Change.NET
Excerpt: Amidst the clamour and tumult of all the 9/11 related posts over the past 3 years, some in particular have deeply impressed me. Allow me to share them with you...
Tracked: September 12, 2005 12:04 AM
WE WILL NOT FORGET from Small Town Veteran
Excerpt: Update 2: I knew The Mudville Gazette wouldn't let us down. Just keep scrolling. See also: Captain's Quarters, Winds of Change.
Tracked: September 12, 2005 12:32 AM
REMEMBER from Peaktalk
Excerpt: Yes, we are remembering the victims of four years ago. But we should also remember a number of the things that may get lost or that are being subject to continuous re-interpretation with the passage of time. Remember that: •...
Tracked: September 12, 2005 1:19 AM
9/11 from Blogs for Bush
Excerpt: This post will remain on top until 8pm EDT. Scroll down for new postsRemembering.Remembering. Remembering.Remembering. Remembering.Remembering. Remembering.Remembering. Remembering.Remembering. Remembering.Remembering. Remembering.Remembering. Remember...
Tracked: September 12, 2005 3:18 AM
Four Years Later from No Oil for Pacifists
Excerpt: On September 11, 2001, three of my friends were murdered:
I claim no special kinship or victimhood nor. . . any familial relation. My loss [was] only 1/1000th of America's.
Tracked: September 12, 2005 6:46 AM
Remembering 9-11 from Tel-Chai Nation
Excerpt: It's now four years to the day when an Islamic hate crime was committed against the people of America, which showed that it's not just the Jewish community that's a target of such disgust, but also anyone else considered a Dhimmi in the eyes of Islam...
Tracked: December 16, 2005 8:49 AM
9-11, cont. from Kesher Talk
Excerpt: Previous 9-11 anniversary entries here and here. Last year's 9-11 entries here. More from Jeff Jarvis, who was at the Ground Zero memorial this morning....
Tracked: September 11, 2006 5:17 AM
9/11 Comprehensive Roundup 2006: Five Years In - And So It Begins... from Winds of Change.NET
Excerpt: The Falling Man "Did you exchange A walk on part in the war For a lead role in a cage?" 9/11. Of course you remember where you were. That day was a summons, a call;...
Comments
#1 from Tony at 11:09 am on Sep 11, 2004
There's a unclosed 'a' tag around "eventually become bipartisan?" which is making the rest of the links unclickable ( at least on Safari, Firefox is ok).
I say no such thing. Tony, thanks. I've fixed that now.
#4 from Alice at 5:35 pm on Sep 11, 2004
OK, I knew I would get upset today at some point and the Patti Davis quote did it. How beautiful. On 09-10-01, staff at the school where I worked were concerned about large groups of poor inner-city kids who were increasingly wearing gang colors to school. On 09-12-01 those same kids all showed up wearing red, white, and blue. I got a lump in my throat. This is the day that we remember its our We redouble our efforts. The guy who Lets get OSAMA. The 911 commission report For their sake. Their deaths must be avenged.
#6 from USMC at 7:57 pm on Sep 11, 2004
I’d have to say today is a triple whammy for me. I was in Palisades on business when the attack on the WTC happened. On a beautiful clear day I could see the smoke rise from the center of NYC. It didn’t occur to me what my family might be thinking about my being anywhere near the incident at the time. It didn’t sink in until I heard the Pentagon had been hit and then my thoughts turned to my daughter and how she might have faired in that one horrifying moment. She didn’t work inside the Pentagon but she worked close enough to the building to heighten my anxiety. My thoughts turned to my son knowing his 16th birthday was all but ruined. As with any parent the moments of panic are fleeting when one’s family is involved. The moment of truth and realization sets in rather quickly. To those that lost their lives on that day and to those that gave their lives willingly to rescue and aid those in need, I for one owe a debt of gratitude that somehow seems will never be marked paid in full. To those that serve and carry on the fight to protect this great nation and all of the citizens within its’ borders. My resolve is strengthened and my support is unwavering in all efforts aimed at eliminating and diminishing the threats of terrorism.
#7 from Alice at 10:22 pm on Sep 11, 2004
Thanks for sharing that information about Rick Rescorla. I'm so glad he was on my side and so sad he's gone. What a man. I agree that link is a must read. I can not wait to read the book about him.
#8 from Robin Burk at 11:31 pm on Sep 11, 2004
Today my heart has been silent, remembering. Mourning as is right to do. Not because I've forgotten to be angry - the anger from that day is deep in my bones. Not because a relative close to me repeats again and again that America deserves whatever she gets, always citing collective European guilt vs. those of other colors. I know what I believe about guilt and innocence in all the complex history of the last centuries, although it saddens me to realize that this child of privilege cannot rise up to acknowledge the larger threat to all that is good and decent. No amount of partying will really leave her feeling safe and at peace, though. She knows what she doesn't want to admit. It is the infants and small children, bayoneted and shot after days of cruel treatment in a small school, who have been with me today. Those who jumped and fell 3 years ago are with me today. Those who worked to rescue others and finally succumbed are with me today. Those who suffered in Iraq, before under Saddam, during and after the major combat, are with me. Our soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen are with me today. But Breslan is with me the most, along with the attacks of 3 years ago. Today I feel fire in my bones, anger deep in my soul, and a determination that I will remember and I will fight.
#9 from lewy14 at 2:36 am on Sep 12, 2004
That the veneer of civilization is thin and fragile is a common aphorism, but an uncommon experience. Most often our society is as solid as the ground we walk on, yet even this can be felt to tremble – especially by those such as myself who have spent some years in the American West. Seismologists can discern the structure of the “solid” ground by analyzing the waves of an earthquake. In the aftermath of the attacks, the very structure of our civilization – its thinness, its fragility – could be felt through the waves which roiled in it. The towers fell. Civilization did not, yet for me the memory of its tremors remains vivid and chilling. Excellent post! Thanks. Never Forget Never Forgive Never Again What a wonderful round-up of the best the blogosphere has to offer. Thank you for remembering and honoring my collegue, mentor and friend, Rick Rescorla. It warms my heart to know he lives on by those of us who owe our lives to him, and by those who admire what he stood for. Thank you. Thank you so much for putting this all together. You've done an outstanding job. If bearing witness is all some of us can do, you've done the best. Thanks for this roundup. There are so many great writers on the Web, I am humbled. I spent weeks attempting to perfect my 1st anniversary essay and pouring my all my heart and soul into it and I was proud of the result. But then I read the others and I'm not the least bit surprised or even very disappointed that mine has gotten lost amoung all the more worthy expressions.
#14 from ATM at 1:30 am on Sep 13, 2004
Are you forgetting about the Iraqi who helped facillitate the meeting of terrorists in Malaysia?
#15 from jinnderella at 7:38 am on Sep 13, 2004
Joe, thank you for this beautiful entry. It took me most of the weekend to read all the links. That is one good thing about coming late to the party-- there are so many open bottles to sample.
#16 from Matt at 11:06 pm on Sep 16, 2004
Joe, thanks for the link and the kind words. I'm glad you enjoyed my article, and I'm honored to have it here as part of the most stunning rememberance post I've seen. -Matt, CA Yankee's son
#17 from Fred at 3:51 am on Sep 11, 2005
I put out my flag today. I encourage everyone to fly their flag in memorial. --Fred
#18 from GeneThug at 5:47 am on Sep 11, 2005
Thanks for the links, Joe. I learned a lot about rigorous, transparent political thinking from Stephen Den Beste - agree or disagree, the guy's just brilliant at communicating his thoughts and explaining the reasoning behind it. Truly a Blogger amongst bloggers. I have a short story about 9/11 I wanted to share about my uncle. He's a good man, a good American and a good Muslim (from the beer-and-miniskirts Indonesian Subud tradition, which is about as laid back as a faith can get), and works at an office near DC. His office was being renovated, and the management set up temporary trailers in the parking lot for the duration, and asked everyone in the department to move their stuff into the trailers. My uncle stalled and stalled, but one morning he decided he'd better get it over with, and filled a box up with his staplers and coffee mug, pictures of my aunt and cousins, etc. He'd just left the building when the plane hit the side of the Pentagon where his department (among many others)were. Lots of people weren't nearly as lucky, and he attended the funerals of his department head and many co-workers, many friends, that month. Anyhow, I heard my uncle was safe before I even knew the Pentagon had been hit that terrible day, but understanding the truth of what happened to him has been remarkably helpful in understanding the war on terror. Islam isn't the problem per se. The Enemy doesn't care how many Muslims they kill, and the pentagon attack wasn't staged. Whether we oppose Islamic extremists or not, they have declared war on us, on modernity, on classical liberalism, and innocent people will die in this war, often horribly. Many of the alternatives to opposing this extremism are nightmarish (a la wretchard's second conjecture), and yet it's arguable that we're still not serious about fighting this war. Our borders are still porous, or bureaucracies and intelligence apparatus (and disaster responses) still seem woefully inefficient, and the spread of extremism seems like it's only getting worse - my uncle told me last winter about going to the big new Wahabbist mosque that Saudi money built in DC, and saw and heard things that would appall most people, sermons as bad as anything at memri.org or lgf. I have a Pakistani friend, and what he tells me he sees when he goes home to Karachi, well, it's going to get worse before it gets better, and as a people, as a culture, we need to be prepared for that. This war's a long way from over, but at least it's being fought, at least these monsters, who decapitate aid workers and reporters and electricians, who fly planes into buildings and kill busboys and officeworkers, these sad, evil people who've declared a holy war on us, are being opposed. Thanks for the link and the flattery, Joe! I'm going to pull some of my most affecting links to post at WoC, too. Tremendous collection. Great work putting together this "Carnival of 9-11." BTW, the link for the Onion article is bad. We believe there is a lack of (or maybe "ANY") 'appropriate' 9/11 memorials, anywhere. We've put our own 5 minute video memorial online. No burning buildings, no rubble, no explosions, no speeches, no screeches, no Bin Laden, no bodies. Just a remembrance of some people whose lives were cut short through no fault of their own, with poignant candid snapshots from their lives, and music. Thought you might want to spend a few moments today, remembering. http://mistersnitch.blogspot.com/2005/09/our-after-911-site-is-online.html Forgive me if this is inappropriate to add here. But enough people have thanked me for posting this that I thought someone might be interested... Fixed that priceless Onion link, and a couple others too. Thanks for letting me know.
They're also in favour of the destruction of Israel. Not with fire and brimstone, perhaps, but it's little more than a variation on Gaddafi's "Isratine" lunacy. Colt, I poked into the site. I don't recall seeing the Israel-Palestine bit before, but it does raise serious questions. Ultimately, it's more or less like telling black people they can have a federated state partially run by the Klan. Since I assume the Free Muslims Coalition cannot possibly be that ignorant of realities on the ground, the only explanations that remain are massive self-delusion (assisted by selecting interlocutors from the Israeli far left) or just a more genteel form of ill-will. Ultimately, this issue is also a useful test of sincerity generally. Can Islam change so it can live with other faiths, or is war inevitable? Just as an Islam that justifies suicide bombing against Israelis will eventually justify it against Londoners, New Yorkers, Balinese, et. al., so an Islam that cannot allow Jews to live in a tiny state of their own outside the Dar-al-Islam has not really renounced the doctrines of war and supremacism at its heart. And eventually that, too, must find other targets. "Jim Crow Islam" (aka. dhimmitude) is not an acceptable answer. I'm leaving the link up, with appropriate caveats, insofar as I believe the rest of their program works to address the root of the problem in other ways, and lets forces in that offer hope of making a difference over time. But neither should we be blind to the current realities. Which the subsequent El Fadl piece on Islam and the Challenge of Democracy highlights in Among Arab Reformers.
#26 from NahnCee at 2:56 am on Sep 12, 2005
I'm wondering why GeneThug's uncle, the Muslim, is still in the United States if he's going to a Saudi-funded mosque and evidently doing nothing about getting it closed down. Gee, offhand guess... he's going from a combination of religious obligation and curiosity re: what's going on there. Glad he did. In terms of getting it closed down, (a) you don't know what he's done; and (b) one must first believe there is a possibility that reporting these things would have that result. Incidentally, I do not. This was the problem prior to 9/11. It still is. It wouldn't be a bad idea to make the FBI an offer of cooperation, but I wouldn't expect much from it. One may also, if one is so inclined, seek to create changes within via the governing board. Having seen this process attempted in non-Orthodox Jewish synagogues, I would recommend that his uncle try to make us all safer by investing his time at the Pentagon instead.
#28 from Hungry Valley at 3:44 am on Sep 12, 2005
Here is a link to the Defence of Rorke's Drift. Midway down the page is a MP3 of the Royal Regiment of Wales' Band singing "Men of Harlech" on the 120th anniversary of the battle of Rorke's Drift. This was the song which Rick Rescorla used on many occasions to rally spirits. I have not linked directly to the MP3 since those who remember the movie Zulu! may want to look around. Warning the song may aggravate your allergies especially around the eyes.
#29 from Hungry Valley at 3:54 am on Sep 12, 2005
Let's try it again. It worked in preview the last time. Just in case, here's the raw url,
#30 from GeneThug at 3:54 pm on Sep 12, 2005
NahnCee, I'm wondering why GeneThug's uncle, the Muslim, is still in the United States if he's going to a Saudi-funded mosque and evidently doing nothing about getting it closed down. Joe is correct. My uncle attended a sermon at the Saudi funded mosque in DC to see what was going on, and was appalled at what was being preached there. It isn't the church he regularly attends, and it isn't even his sect (Wahabbism is about as far from Subud as, say, the autocastrating Skoptsy or the racist genocidal fantasists of the Christian Technocracy are from Unitarian Christianity), but Islam is his religion, and America is his country, and he loves both a great deal. My uncle's a civilian, with as much power to close down a church as you or me, and as a regular guy who happens to be a Muslim-American, with a job that requires a security clearance, drawing attention to himself (from the FBI, as well as the beneficiaries of Saudi money in the US Gov.) seems phenomenally imprudent in these times. If the government doesn't already have a clue about what's going on in a huge, Saudi funded Wahabbi mosque in Washington D.C., there's no hope, whatsoever, that we're competent enough to win the War on Terror. What has he done to get it closed down? He told me about it, and now I've told you about it. What are you doing to get that mosque closed down, or to get it's preachers censured for preaching religious hatred? Why are you still in the United States?
#31 from PD Shaw at 5:20 pm on Sep 12, 2005
Would seem more likely that the government is aware of what is happening in the DC mosque and either (a) sees more value in monitoring the sermons and participants than in shutting it down, and/or (b) has no legal basis for shutting down the mosque.
#32 from Bryan at 6:38 pm on Sep 12, 2005
Rememberances - To those who died on 9/11 To those who have died since, military and civilian and the innocent civilians killed by our military To those whose lives are on the line daily due to the arrogance of a stolen Presidency and a "leader" who does nothing of the sort To those recently lost by Katrina To those who were lost in the tsunami To those who are yet to be lost in Iraq and Afghanistan To those who are yet to be lost again due to the arrogance of an Administration which cannot and does not lead but blunders along violating every International Law, plunging the US further into the hands of the corporations and stregthening the drive of terrorists around the world You will never be forgotten, at least by me. It is time for a change, a revolutionary way of thinking, and time to redirect this country's government back to being truly representative of the will of the people, not the desires of a minority.
#33 from Bill Funt at 1:16 am on Sep 14, 2005
Thanks for the reminder. A moment for grief. To those who are too classy to use this memorial as a chance to take a cheap shot at a political adversary, thanks. You understand what a memorial is supposed to be.
#34 from victor at 2:01 am on Sep 12, 2007
An excellent post with excellent comments. The best that I have read today. For anyone who wants to read and look at more links, I have posted a bunch of them on my blog at [We interrupt this post to bring you an important announcement. The above poster has, for the second time, posted a pointer to a URL that is chock-full of advertisements and impossible for me to navigate satisfactorily. The generic compliments are another dead give-away. Left as a warning. Victor, we prize substantive content here. What you just did doesn't count as such. Please see the comments guidelines for more information. --NM]
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