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October 8, 2004Hatewatch Briefing 2004-10-08by Lewy14 at October 8, 2004 8:36 AM
Welcome! This briefing will be looking hard at the dark places most mainstream media seem determined to look away from, to better understand our declared enemies on their own terms and without illusions. Our goal is to bring you some of the top jihadi rants, idiotarian seething, and old-school Jew-hatred from around the world, leaving you more informed, more aware, and pretty disgusted every month. This Winds of Change.NET HateWatch briefing is brought to you by Lewy14. (Email me at my handle "hatewatch" here at windsofchange.net). Entil'zha veni! HIGHLIGHTED TOPICS
Tracked: October 8, 2004 4:54 PM
Things you don't want to read. from On The Third Hand
Excerpt: But should: Hatewatch Briefing 2004-10-08 from Winds of Change.
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#1 from Robin burk at 3:09 pm on Oct 08, 2004
res ipsa fisquitur "The thing fisks itself" -- a great phrase, Lewy14. I've got to find some places to use it. Not hard, these days, alas.
#2 from Oscar at 3:16 pm on Oct 08, 2004
You seem to have left out hate crimes against Republicans by members of the Left in the US.
#3 from lewy14 at 9:10 pm on Oct 08, 2004
Oscar, Good point, and I'm glad you brought it up. First, the omission was intentional. Yes, I’ve been following the stories on Instapundit and elsewhere. My reasons for not covering the issue were as follows: a) I think the coverage in other venues has been adequate, b) the election doesn’t lack for venues of discussion, and in fact threatens to drown everything else out, c) I don’t believe the issue is entirely one sided. I’ve seen exactly one sign defaced in my neighborhood, and it was a huge (like 4×8 foot) Kerry sign that was completely cut to pieces. They've left the cut up sign standing as a silent but eloquent statement against the overcharged climate. Haters be warned. That said, obviously there haven’t been any shooting attacks on regional Kerry headquarters (or I think we would have heard about them) and it would not be too much of a stretch to suggest that the overheated rhetoric of some on the Left has contributed to the atmospheric context of the actual violence against the Republican campaign. Therefore my decision to omit this topic may be in error; other opinions welcome. In any case, Glenn Reynolds has already done a roundup of these stories. As is my habit with partisan issues, incidents against all parties are suitable topics for discussion, mutual disavowal of extremism is a positive thing. However, please respect my desire to avoid another general election open thread. Thanks! lewy, I disagree that "rape is part of the signature of Islamist terror." Spencer is wrong in implying rape is somehow specifically an Islamic tradition. Consider Bosnia, where muslims were being raped. Rape is more a part of ethnic cleansing. Most tribes do it. And, Loftus. I don't really believe the British Secret Service conspired against Israel-- do you?
#5 from lewy14 at 8:09 am on Oct 09, 2004
Jinnderella, Spencer’s point about rape is not that it is unique to Islamist terror – as you correctly point out, it is not unique at all - but that it is an authentic tradition firmly rooted in the canon texts and practices of the religion. And in this he makes what appears to me is a persuasive argument. Yes, most “tribes” do it, but is rape sanctioned in the religious dogma of most major religions? Note to those who would protest that this is a defamation of Islam: it may very well be that a concrete, definitive, persuasive Islamic argument can be made against the kinds of rape that were perpetrated in Beslan and Darfur and elsewhere. Making this case would make Robert Spencer and myself and a whole bunch of other people very happy. Personally I think that such an argument can be made, if I had to come up with one I’d start working in the direction of the argument that Dr. Iqbal Al-Gharbi made, which argues against the primacy of the hadith. It’s sad that such a refutation of the justification for rape would even have to be made by anyone, of any faith. But the fact that prominent sources of instruction and dogma within Islamic institutions such as Al-Azhar appear to sanction this kind of conduct, combined with the fact that multiple current Islamist terrorist groups are carrying out this practice (and give every indication of believing it is sanctioned by the faith they claim to so devoutly adhere to), makes it reasonable to ask for just this kind of refutation. About Loftus, the British, and Israel: I’ve just started reading about the history here, in particular a few weeks ago I finished Benny Morris’s book Righteous Victims, which is a history of the entire Zionist/Arab conflict from 1881 through 2001. The British figure prominently in the story. The picture I get is that the British political establishment at the time was divided and conflicted about Israel. Is it beyond conjecture that elements of the British state security apparatus would retain Islamist Arab elements who had worked for the Nazis? Given the questionable actions of all the Allies after the war (Operation Paperclip, etc), given the amoral exploitation of anything remotely resembling an intelligence asset in those days, given the determination shown by the European allies (not just Britain) to retain their colonies and spheres of influence after the war – I’d have to say yeah, could have happened.
#6 from Abu Frank at 9:12 am on Oct 10, 2004
Some comments on the MEMRI report: At a convention on the subject of "Pluralism in Islam" which took place in late August, 2004 at the Egyptian Journalists' Union in Cairo, Sheikh Dr. Yousef Al-Qaradhawi, a leader of the Muslim Brotherhood movement and one of the most important religious authorities in Islamist circles, issued a religious legal opinion . . . True but misleading. He gave his lecture on "Pluralism in Islam" (he's for it), then took questions, and someone asked him one about Iraq. I.e., "issued a religious legal opinion" . . . permitting the abduction and killing of American civilians in Iraq in order to pressure the American army to evacuate its forces. Untrue. The best source on Qaradawi's remarks seems to be Fahmi Huwaydi, who quotes from a tape recording: "The Americans who came to Iraq as invaders, and brought with them war, killing them is necessary . . . but . . . all of those who do not carry weapons it is not upon us to kill." Ten days after Al-Qaradhawi's opinion on the abduction and killing of American civilians in Iraq was issued, and after his words had already evoked heated reactions in the Muslim world, Al-Qaradhawi sent a fax to the office of the Al-Hayat daily in which he disowned "that which was said in my name in the media on the subject of the killing of American civilians in Iraq." Misleading. The story apparently broke September 2 (see e.g. LGF); Qaradawi denied it September 4. [MEMRI quoting Qaradawi] It is a matter of common knowledge that in Fatwas such as these I do not use the word "killing" but rather I say "struggle," which is a more comprehensive word than the word "killing" and whose meaning is not necessarily to kill. MEMRI is implicitly calling Qaradawi a liar, since earlier they have stated flatly that in his original remarks he did call for "abduction and killing", disregarding any subsequent disavowals. But the fighting / killing distinction wasn't something that Qaradawi invented ex post because of "heated reactions in the Muslim world"; it was mentioned in some of the earliest reports on his remarks: An influential Egyptian cleric has called on Muslims to fight all Americans in Iraq, even civilians, one of his top aides told AFP on Thursday . . . Talima said Qaradawi, a Sunni Muslim regarded as a moderate, meant both US military and civilians, but he noted that the sheikh had used the word fight and not kill in his decree. (AFP, September 2) It should be noted that prior to the publication of this denial, the director of Al-Qaradhawi's office, Isam Talima, affirmed that Al-Qaradhawi did indeed issue a Fatwa to the effect that there is an obligation to fight against the American civilians in Iraq, as they are considered to be invaders. Misleading. This wasn't Qaradawi's office sticking by the original story, this was the original source of the story. The timeline was: August 31: Qaradawi speaks on "Pluralism and Islam" at Journalists' Union, answers questions including some on Iraq. September 1: Journalists contact Qaradawi's office, get statement from office director Essam Talibi. September 2: Press reports appear, based on Talibi's statement.
#7 from justme at 6:59 am on Oct 11, 2004
This article is dated (4/04) so I ran a quick search on your site and didn't find a match. This link was on lgf this afternoon and thought your readers may find it of interest too. An exceptional speech! Follow link for complete speech- you'll be impressed! : http://www.worldthreats.com/middle_east/Haim Harari.htm Speech by Haim Harari on War on Terror HAIM HARARI, a theoretical physicist, is the Chair, Davidson Institute of Science Education, and Former President, from 1988 to 2001, of the Weizmann Institute of Science. During his years as President of the Institute, the Institute entered numerous new scientific fields and projects, built 47 new buildings, raised one Billion Dollars in philanthropic money, hired more than half of its current tenured Professors and became one of the highest royalty-earning academic organizations in the world.
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