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November 19, 2004Hatewatch Briefing 2004-11-19by Lewy14 at November 19, 2004 7:00 AM
Welcome! This briefing will be looking hard at the dark places most mainstream media seem determined to look away from, to better understand our declared enemies on their own terms and without illusions. Our goal is to bring you some of the top jihadi rants, idiotarian seething, and old-school Jew-hatred from around the world, leaving you more informed, more aware, and pretty disgusted every month. This Winds of Change.NET HateWatch briefing is brought to you by Lewy14. (Email me at my handle "hatewatch" here at windsofchange.net). Past briefings and posts on related topics can be found here. Entil'zha veni! HIGHLIGHTED TOPICS
Tracked: November 21, 2004 2:56 AM
Saturday Articles Roundup from Pearsall's Books
Excerpt: I'm still recharging my batteries a little bit and working on a couple of new large pieces, having done 5000 words on Central Asia and around 3000 on Puritanism. Anyways, here are some links to some articles on stuff involving the Abrahamic religions...
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We are threatened with a return to the Dark Ages, but with a technological wrapper. Good work. Steve
#2 from David Fleck at 4:58 pm on Nov 19, 2004
As Bjørn Stærk reports, there may be a bit more to the 'no Jews allowed at Kristallnacht' story than first indicated. (Or not. Anyway, it's not as cut'n'dried as it sounds.) Keillor smirked .. “I feel if your citizenship is in Heaven—like a born again Christian’s is—you should give up your citizenship." The "born again" qualifier is very important here. In Keillor's liberal-bourgeois culture, it's not yet cool to be openly bigoted against Catholics and Episcopalians, just evangelicals. (Make that white evangelicals.) Catholics and black Southern Baptists might be disappointed to learn that they are not considered citizens of Heaven, too. But they'd better keep their mouths shut about it, or they might be suspected of having dual loyalties. While this isn't hatred against Jews, it is hatred spewed nonetheless. We always hear about how intellectually and morally superior the Europeans are supposed to be, yet they apparently can't get through a soccer match without hurling racial slurs at black players, who were called monkeys by opposing fans. Lewy, I think this translation captures the threatening aspect really well-- from Siyarikat at gnxp. I think "perish" is a better translation than "fall".
#6 from lewy14 at 9:44 pm on Nov 19, 2004
#2 David Fleck, Thanks for the link. I read the Bjørn Stærk post, and updated my main post (see above). I'd give Bjørn serious consideration. On the other hand, I'm skeptical of labels like “extreme right wing anti-immigrant” when applied to European political parties and organizations – these labels were once applied to Pim Fortuyn, and quite unfairly. So I’m curious as to what exactly makes the parties in question so beyond the Pale. That said, there are parties on the right which are unsavory at best – like I said, the parties of the right and left in Europe leave much to be desired with respect to commonsense approach to immigration, and what is needed is an anti-fascist, anti-idiotarian “third way”. And so finally, and back to the topic, if the implication was that Jews did not participate in this event when in fact they did, then this is an error of fact which needs correction.
#7 from lewy14 at 9:48 pm on Nov 19, 2004
Jinn, thanks. Did Siyarikat do an entire translation? I gathered a great deal of material on the Van Gogh murder, more than I could use. I finally decided to simply lead with the translation of Mohammed B's rant, and let him speak for himself. Our self declared enemy, in his own words. Lewy, yah. It's in the comments here towards the end. Siyarikat did the best translation I've seen, he really captures the rage and the threat. His translation of the qu'ranic verses from "The Overturning" sura (part of the note)is really good, also.
#9 from Raymond at 11:13 pm on Nov 19, 2004
For a hint look at the smears thrown at Dr Rice. The democrat party was always the slaver party, and they still are, they simply evolved from chattle slavery of blacks to marxist slavery of everyone. Margret Sangers planned parenthood was all about Eugenics and lowering the population of blacks, I can go on at length with example after example. All thruout the black members of our party are slimed as being tokens, they are called sellouts, oreos, Belefonte's slime of Colon Powell as a house slave etc. Are there racists of every sort still around ?, sure ! the democrat from Virginia, Byrd was the former grand dragon of the KKK, David Duke hate concerts are listed on the stormfront site. And one must not forget that the NAZIs they idolize are a marrage of socialism and racism, two bedfellows that you find almost always sleeping together. Sometimes hidden, sometimes not. Ohh the Republicans do have a smattering of kooks that vote for republicans, but we dont look to them as a source of ideas or influence, we dont feel any need to cater to them. The democrats however, their kooks are the core of their party, Peter Singer is interchangable with M Moore, and its no secret why the CPUSA supported Kerry. and look at the Jew Hatered and anti zionist cause the left now call their own. The democrats have to cater to their kooks, we dont, perhaps some of you can give us credit for the difference. I am one of those that saw my dream machine in popular electronics, the altair 8800 kit that took me a full 2 years of parts gathering (as money became avaialble) to build the thing. (and after that a trs80 M1 in 1977) Oh the days when you fixed your machine by replacing cooked tra state buss trancivers eh ? and when machines came with circut drawings that would indeed come in handy many times over its usefull life. I built my first large killowatt scale radio amp when I was 14 years old, and you have to know a bit of physics when your device is not defined by plans, but a deep understanding and the content of the parts tables at the Ham radio Convention and swapfest, and in learning how the universe works, some of us. like me found God staring back at us. But to hear the left thse days, because im Christian, I am some kind of ignorant hick, a red state knuckle dragger. understanding of concepts like factual reality, objective truth, histories lessons, and the idea that truth is a discovery not an invention, that fact and opinion are not the same thing, that the latter is only valid if based on the former, all these things are seen as "false cognition" by those comming out of achedamia with their marxist indoctrinated postmodern mental dysfunction where right and wrong is nothing more but a political calulation, right in your face they invert right and wrong in a manner that would cause George Orwell thoughts to lockup in shock. where their values are not inverted they are morally obtuse. One way the left attacked American principles of freedom was by pointing to slavery, rightly so in a way, but the way they went about it was wrong because their agenda demands dishonesty and deception. its the principle of freedom itself that they was actually attacking. Those of us on the right saw it differently, the victory over slavery wasnt won by invalidating the princple. Instead we say the principle of freedom is immutable, it came from god, and that the victory was its extension to everyone. There is the tactic of smearing us by making exception the rule and then defining all of us thusly is unfair, the fringe nutjobs are not and never was, looked to for any advice, nor is any input from them ever deemed of value. Big difference with the democrats, who are, in reality a coalition of varios marxist liberal pressure groups, without their kooks, the Libertarian party memebership would probably outnuber them. and I doubt thats hyperbole. Would we run a ticket with Condoleza Rice and JC Watts with race as part of the political calulation? Sure ! If we thought they would make good leaders of the free world and would advance our values you damn right. but that would be equally undeserving of the cynical "token" smear and sneer. The use presidency, CIC, the most powerfull position on the planet, should tend to toss the mangled wrench onto the gears of the race huckster machine. But what do we see? the left are all manicaly unhinged and spitting foaming mouth near incoherrent grasping for new insults, they cant help themselves. It reminds you that the democrat party is without principles, that their black followers are only looked at as Usefull Idiots, in a way the white liberals only think of them as stage fixtures for agitprop, any black person that is not a usefull tool of the left is degraded and smeared with all the old steriotypes. I see this as little different from what is going on in socialist Europe, its all hists and glimpses of the same beast.
#10 from lewy14 at 11:43 pm on Nov 19, 2004
Ah, Raymond, I did notice the Condi Rice cartoons. It would appear that the partisan divide between racists and non-racists is as clear to you as, well, black and white, for lack of a better term. It's not so clear from where I sit. My memory is just as long as yours, and I go by Jane's rule: the party in power is smug and arrogant. The party out of power in insane. More to the point, the extremists of a party are marginalized when that party is in power, and empowered when it is out of power. Rants against racism can hardly be called off topic in this thread. Partisan rants can be, and will be.
#11 from T. J. Madison at 9:59 pm on Nov 20, 2004
>>some of us. like me found God staring back at us. I'd be interested in what empirical evidence made you come to this conclusion.
#12 from Observer at 11:17 am on Nov 21, 2004
Raymond, when you mix up amateur radio and mysticism you come off sounding a bit kooky yourself. As someone who shares your interests, I have found it best to keep such sentiments to oneself.
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