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February 18, 2005Hatewatch Briefing 2005-02-18by Hatewatch at February 18, 2005 8:00 AM
Welcome! This briefing will be looking hard at the dark places the mainstream media sometimes seem determined to look away from, to better understand our declared enemies on their own terms and without illusions. Our goal is to bring you some of the top jihadi rants, idiotarian seething, and old-school Jew-hatred from around the world, leaving you more informed, more aware, and pretty disgusted every month. This Winds of Change.NET HateWatch briefing is brought to you by Lewy14, and zorkmidden of Discarded Lies. Past briefings and posts on related topics can be found here. Entil'zha veni! HIGHLIGHTED TOPICS
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Regarding Ken Livingstone: I am surprised at his comment being labelled as "anti-semitism", which isn't being done even by most of his domestic critics (and he has a lot of them), who are merely accusing him of being offensively loudmouthed and tactless (something even his supporters wouldn't deny very strenuously). I'd be curious to know how you justify this description. I've read up on the story myself, and am ambivalent over whether I'd even like to see Ken apologise; allegedly, the journalist had been harassing him and justifying his harassment by saying it was only his job - which isn't a terribly good justification for anything, and pretty much tempts a comparison to german war criminals pleading "I vos only obeying orders!", with which Ken obliged (and understandably refused to retract when the guy said, "hey, I'm Jewish, I find that offensive"; what, being a member of a racial minority absolves you from taking flack for your actions? It shouldn't). To apologise would affirm that journalists can harass public figures with impunity, safe in the knowledge that however far you push someone they can't verbally hit back even for a moment because anything they say you can plaster across the front page, which doesn't seem terribly fair to me. On the other hand, and on balance, his criticism was a tad too harsh and offended a lot of Jewish groups; I think he can and should admit his comments were tactless and apologise to the Jewish community for offence caused, without necessarily admitting that the journalist in question deserves an apology. This is by way of a dissenting opinion on the one part; but thanks for the roundup as a whole and your efforts in general on this site, as I find them highly interesting and informative (and somewhat depressing, in the case of the other articles you link above pertaining to the UK). - James (UK, resident in Germany) James, Melanie Phillips said it best:
#3 from Bryan Ruffin at 9:49 pm on Feb 18, 2005
RE: The Roma - I'm in the hotel business and to a degree the stereotypes are true. By and large the Romany Gypsies who come through here are illiterate, sticky-fingered grifters with the idea that the rules do not apply to them. They won't pay on time, raid the (locked) kitchen when they get the chance ("I needed some milk for the baby!"... which explains the muffins and danishes how?), and have no respect for anyone's property (e.g. smoking where they please, spraypainting the carpet, throwing our towels in the dumpster). This isn't all of them, mind you - there is no perfect gypsy storm. But they each have their own particular annoyance, some two or three. One even told me I'd go to hell if I didn't let her stay another day. I told her that at least I'd have a reservation, something she didn't have here. There's nothing like catching some gypsy kid breaking into the snack machine at 10am on a schoolday to make you just a little bit prejudiced. A good book about the Roma: Isabel Fonseca's Bury Me Standing
#5 from James A. at 3:35 am on Feb 22, 2005
zorkmidden: hurm. Point conceded; but in real life, as opposed to the political arena, comparison to nazis goes on a lot without anyone complaining - as prominent examples, I cite Godwin's Law, the "Bush = Hitler" anti-war placards, which I didn't notice drawing complaints from Jewish groups (possibly the media just didn't mention it much... I guess they had a lot to report at the time), and, in the UK, humorous trivialisation of the Nazis dating back to the time the Luftwaffe were bombing us and our ancestors were singing songs about Hitler's incomplete genitalia. I grant the comparison is one that should not be made unless you've got good reason, and that Ken's copped flak for that is fair enough; but neither Livingstone, nor the comparisons of Israel with Nazis by the less sane members of the british Left, have been trivialising the issue all on their lonesome; and it emphatically does not constitute anti-semitism on Ken's behalf, whatever else he may have done. (Melanie Phillips says Ken Livingstone's comment "struck people as both beyond comprehension and deeply objectionable" - it didn't strike me like that. I'd regard it as a given that defending your behaviour by saying "hey, I'm only doing my job" would eventually earn a somewhat fatuous comparison to a nazi. It's not particularly fair and certainly isn't meant very seriously, but that doesn't mean you have to invite it - no-one's forbidding you to give a better justification.) (But yeah, you're right, and it's not an accusation that should be tossed around so casually, and it's something I personally should have thought about before myself. Mea culpa.) Otherwise regarding the article you link, I confess I'd missed that he'd been snuggling up to radical Islam, so I retract any respect I had for the guy. I assume he justified it to himself as doing his bit for interracial harmony, or he's flipped and gone crazy in his old age or something. Sad.
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