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April 8, 2005Hatewatch Briefing 2005-04-08by Hatewatch at April 8, 2005 6:24 AM
Welcome! This briefing will be looking hard at the dark places the mainstream media sometimes seem determined to look away from, to better understand our declared enemies on their own terms and without illusions. Our goal is to bring you some of the top jihadi rants, idiotarian seething, and old-school Jew-hatred from around the world, leaving you more informed, more aware, and pretty disgusted every month. This Winds of Change.NET HateWatch briefing is brought to you by Lewy14, and by zorkmidden of Discarded Lies. Past briefings and posts on related topics can be found here. Entil'zha veni! HIGHLIGHTED TOPICS
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Excerpt: This briefing will be looking hard at the dark places the mainstream media sometimes seem determined to look away from, to better understand our declared enemies on their own terms and without illusions. Our goal is to bring you some of the top jihadi ...
Comments
#1 from Joe A at 4:41 pm on Apr 08, 2005
Why did average Germans so heartily support the Nazis and Third Reich? Hitler, says Goetz Aly, was a "feel good dictator," a leader who not only made Germans feel important, but also made sure they were well cared-for by the state. The facts that Goetz Aly explains are true, although I would not call Hitler a "feel good dictator". Since the Bismarck era, Germans supported the National Socialist ideology because it granted them a better standard of living. The problem was that this system was based on economic Nationalism, a main cause of the First World War. Later Hitler bring it back, which explains his rapid success among the Germans and why they tolerated the dictatorship, as Aly says. National Socialism and Antisemitism were deeply rooted in that society long before the Nazis seized the power. For more information on that, read Omnipotent Government, by Mises. A fine, fine briefing, as always. Surprise – not everyone feels the loss of pope John Paul II: the folks at... ------------------ ... David Horowitz' http://www.frontpagemag.com, for example: "The Catholic Church – which speaks with such wisdom and authority on moral questions – often sounds like Sean Penn on matters of war and peace." http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=11428 "Since when did the Catholic Church's leadership become advocates for evil? http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16296 "The Bush Administration should consider placing the Vatican on the list of rogue states that support terrorism." http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13455
#4 from Joe A at 7:27 pm on Apr 08, 2005
Mr Mystic, that's true, the Catholic Church supported the French sponsored movement "Not to the Iraq war" that spread all over Europe. Its position on the matter had a great influence on elderly people in the Spanish National Elections.
#5 from Fred at 8:51 pm on Apr 08, 2005
Well, I certainly disagree with my Church on the Iraq war, but I do believe it took a principled stand based on its core beliefs. It may have been wrong, but it was not evil or a supporter of terrorism.
#6 from Jude at 9:23 pm on Apr 08, 2005
NASTY LITTLE MEN... The MSM calls these creatures Terrorists, or Insurgents, or Separatists, but they are simply nasty little men, good for nothing other than running around in nighties planning how to bring grief and unhappiness to as many people as possible in the name of God. They are more interested in power than piety and are not fussy how they get it. They couldn't earn a living by doing a decent day's work because they haven't got the interest or the intelligence. Even digging latrines would be beyond them. They are hypocrites sitting on their fat bums sending young men out to die for them. If they really believed seventy two virgins were waiting in paradise for them and their eternal erection, why don't they go out and martyr themselves? Then the rest of us could get on with living in peace. Osama bin Laden thinks he is The Old Man of the Mountain, sending out his assassins on religiously motivated murdering expeditions, but it really suits these nasty little men to give vent to their cruel natures by committing acts of murder on innocent citizens. Muslims around the world have fled their own countries to live in peace in the western world, then these nasty little men follow them – threatening and coercing. It won't matter if the whole world becomes Muslim, because these nasty little men will be either Sunni or Shia and they will continue to murder each other. It is not just Islam either. All religions give nasty little men the opportunity to misuse, and then to try and take off all others, the one thing God gave humanity as its ultimate gift – freedom of will. Also have heard Afghanistan and Iraq referred to as 'Arab States'. They (also Pakistan, Indonesia etc) are not Arab states, the populations are not Arab, they do not speak Arabic. They are converts to Islam who have lost their own history and religion. 'Infidels' the word now used to describe adherents to religions other than Islam has been stolen. It was first used by the Crusaders to describe the Musselman. It is a Latin root word, not Arabic. Another example of the lack of innovation of the n.l.m.
#7 from Dave at 9:38 pm on Apr 08, 2005
While the recent spike in the cost of oil pours money into their pockets, it also helps them to dig deeper into trouble with their saudi labor problem. With lots of money to spend, they will continue to put off the hard decisions needed to make real working jobs for Saudis. They talk a lot about Saudization, but in reality the extreme low cost of foreign labor keeps it from happening. Saudis get hired to keep the number up, but far too many never do any real work. The guest workers remain and continue to do the job that the young Saudi is supposedly performing. The article about young Saudis not accepting demeaning work is a bit of a red herring... the real issue is that there are plenty of unemployed Saudis who would be happy to work at the so-called menial jobs. But the costs of a guest worker are so low (probably far lower than the cost of maintaining a slave...) that businesses will not pay a living wage for a Saudi to take their place. Yes, there are other issues involved, like worker productivity, but it all stems from cheap guest workers. So, with all the money rolling in, the unemployment subsidies will be raised, the real problems of Saudi unemployment will be ignored, and the fat-cat Saudi Royals will continue to line their own pockets. The Magic Kingdom has been and continues to be held together by oil-money, which the royal family has used to buy off their enemies and sooth their subjects. Even the Wahabis are a problem that can be patched over with enough money. But the day is coming when they will face a problem that they simply cannot buy their way out of... when the water runs out. That day is coming a lot sooner than many people think, and far sooner than the end of their oil. My guess is that they have less than 10 years before the wells (not oil) run dry. Just my $.02
#8 from Omri at 11:40 pm on Apr 08, 2005
#9 from Reid at 4:58 am on Apr 09, 2005
Jude - I assume you meant Iran. Iraq is an Arab country. Also, Arab muslims do not use the word "infidel". Their word is "kafir". Infidel is merely a translation. Not that I disagree with anything much that you have written. Just trying to be helpful.
#10 from T. J. Madison at 12:35 pm on Apr 09, 2005
>>Rory Miller writes at TCS on the history of the “Zionist = Nazi” slander. Far from being a formula of the modern era when the Holocaust is slipping from living memory, it dates from a time when the slaughter of the Nazi’s victims was still in progress. Someone should go Google "Rudolph Kastner," and then think about this statement some more.
#11 from Garry Culhane at 5:14 pm on Apr 09, 2005
The owner of a national newspaper and media empire in Canada, L. Asper, has been published in his paper strongly supporting the "right" of the government of Israel to go and kill any Arab they want to anyplace in the world. Elsewhere I have read an Israeli newspaper where a religious leader (described an an important rabbi) was quoted to the effect that the killing of an Arab was not to be considered the same, or as important, as the killing of a Jew. While the article did not go on with much more, the context was that Jews were to be judged as human beings, and Arabs were something else, something less. You can say a plague on both their houses, or you can say it is all because of those terrible Arabs, or those terrible Israelis, but in the disgraceful conduct department, there is more than enough to go around.
#12 from lewy14 at 11:02 pm on Apr 09, 2005
Gary, Can you provide links or more concrete references?
#13 from Jude at 11:06 pm on Apr 09, 2005
Reid: You may be able to help me get a grip on the Muslim v everyone else problem. (I've just started taking an interest in it believe it or not.)The Abbasid Empire by 750AD contained Persia. Were Iraq & Iran both ancient Persia? Or was Iraq separate? Are Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and the Jews Arabs? Do they all have different languages? Do Muslim women go to paradise or some other place or nowhere at all? Why do people hate the Jews? (I think it is envy because they are clever but can't get a definitive answer.)
#14 from a at 9:40 pm on Apr 10, 2005
I wouldn't call envy a mayor reason. The Arabs hate a religious group associated with Israel because Israel stole a lot of Arab land, in the Arab eyes the whole of Israel, and defeated their armies a few time. Israel has also the habit to ally itself with the enemies of the Arabs.
#15 from Garry Culhane at 6:14 pm on Apr 11, 2005
More concrete references? Sure. Asper is the President and CEO of CanWest Global Communication Corp, which has its web page; The paper, one of the assets of this media giant , is The National Post. Asper' s statement is found at the editorial page , on July 13, 2004. He says, among other thngs that so long as terrorism continues Israel has every right to "...kill terrorist leaders and do everything else that is necessary to hobble Hamas and its ilk." At the end of this "think piece"we see these words: "David Asper is Chairman of the National Post" While either D. or L Asper will sometimes say they are speaking as individuals and not for the company the fact of severe editiorial control of CanWest assets by members of the proprietarial family has long been a public issue in Canada The comments on the statements of a prominent Israeli rabbi had to do with a rule made by the rabbi Dov Lior, Chairman of the Jewish Rabbinical Council. It was made May 19 and reported May 20 , 2004 in Ma'ariv Israeli Newspaper and the report was then picked up by others including the Arab news channel Aljazeera. You can find probably a lot more than you might want to about the statements of this rabbi with Google. HIs rule or edict apparently says it is ok to kill non Jewish civilians in war; that Jewish lives are more important than non Jewish lives. He has also been separately quoted as sayng that "a thousand non Jewish lives are not worth a Jew's fingernail" , and on another occasion that a "...Jewish life is preferred by the Lord than a non-Jewish life." Anaother Rabbi referred to Lior's deep knowledge of Jewish law and said that due to this most rabbis refrain from challenging his understanding of the Torah and Talmud (this from a rabbi Menachem Froman).
#16 from lewy14 at 11:15 pm on Apr 11, 2005
With respect to Dov Lior, I’m not able to find the Maariv article which is the original source of the quotes, the site seems to be down. Some of what he is said to have said could be interpreted as allowing for the fact that collateral damage is inevitable in war, although it could also be interpreted less charitably. With respect to the “fingernail” quote, I’d have to agree that if he said it, it would not admit much of any justification and is rightly condemned. N.B. I’ve written in this space about the Hebron settler community before. With respect to the Asper quotes, what you originally wrote was this:…L. Asper, has been published in his paper strongly supporting the "right" of the government of Israel to go and kill any Arab they want to anyplace in the world. [emphasis mine]Absent any other motive, the implication of this statement is that being Arab is sufficient reason to sanction anyone, anywhere. Such as sentiment would indeed be racist. But by your own subsequent clarification that isn’t what Asper said: ...kill terrorist leaders and do everything else that is necessary to hobble Hamas and its ilk.Note that the U.S. pretty much reserves the same rights for the Al Qaida leadership. Now you may argue that targeted killings of Hamas and AQ leaders et al are unjust, illegal, immoral, etc. What you may not do is argue or imply that they are racist or indiscriminate. Your original statement, while accurate in a narrow, sophist sense, is a distortion of what Asper actually said. To do this is at best sloppy and at worst a smear.
#17 from Garry Culhane at 1:13 am on Apr 12, 2005
Gosh, golly, and gee whiz, "LEWY 14", look who you just joined up with.
#18 from lewy14 at 1:31 am on Apr 12, 2005
Garry, your meaning escapes me. Sorry I'm not keeping up.
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